Tråden er oprettet for at tage diskussionen om navngivning af stammer I sin egen tråd, så viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1706&start=10 ikke belastes yderligere af det. Jeg vil fortsætte på engelsk da Mario fra JustBee har tilbudt at give sit syn på sagen.
As requested by Deniz (monjak2444) I have asked Mario from JustBee about his opinion about the naming of PRL strains. Mario kindly offered to give his opinion in our forum, which I am very thankful for.
Navngivning af stammer (Naming of strains)
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monjak2444
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Re: Navngivning af stammer (Naming of strains)
tak carsten.
and i am looking forward to hear Mario opinion on the matter and welcome to our forum sir.
and i am looking forward to hear Mario opinion on the matter and welcome to our forum sir.
mvh
Deniz
Deniz
Re: Navngivning af stammer (Naming of strains)
Tak all;-)
Unfortunatly I am not able to read/write in dansk. So I couldn t exactly follow the discussion in another thread.
I ll try to drop some lines about Carstens question regarding my opinion on "Naming Offsprings".
I guess it is absolutly ok to name the strains of the parental generation, so people might get an idea of what the origin was.
Not just the 1 st offsprings, even maybe the next 2 or 3 generations - I am reffering to generations, not to hatches 1 and 2 of
the bought shrimps - This is just keeping shrimps, not breeding.
But, these shrimps offsprings (F1,F2) won t have the quality of the "orignal" breeders line - the Lineage Breeder will be always ahead (If breed well).
Unfortunatly often the basic principle is: A buys some Offsprings..... Sells CullOuts to B....B sells Cullouts to C ..... And so on - and all are happy to
have "PUT YOUR FAVORITE BRAND HERE"-Shrimps. - But, "PUT YOUR FAVORITE BRAND HERE"-Breeder has never ever seen this shrimps and mybe wouldn t "approve" the quality.
On the other site, If you wan t to start an own lineage, why not thinking of an "own lineage"?
Even an own name. It will Take several Years, a long breath, Tons of RO Water and a breeding strategy.
As far as I know due some asian friends, they do not really care about names - guess its more an european thing.
They just breed.
What are your thoughts?
Best,
Mario
Unfortunatly I am not able to read/write in dansk. So I couldn t exactly follow the discussion in another thread.
I ll try to drop some lines about Carstens question regarding my opinion on "Naming Offsprings".
I guess it is absolutly ok to name the strains of the parental generation, so people might get an idea of what the origin was.
Not just the 1 st offsprings, even maybe the next 2 or 3 generations - I am reffering to generations, not to hatches 1 and 2 of
the bought shrimps - This is just keeping shrimps, not breeding.
But, these shrimps offsprings (F1,F2) won t have the quality of the "orignal" breeders line - the Lineage Breeder will be always ahead (If breed well).
Unfortunatly often the basic principle is: A buys some Offsprings..... Sells CullOuts to B....B sells Cullouts to C ..... And so on - and all are happy to
have "PUT YOUR FAVORITE BRAND HERE"-Shrimps. - But, "PUT YOUR FAVORITE BRAND HERE"-Breeder has never ever seen this shrimps and mybe wouldn t "approve" the quality.
On the other site, If you wan t to start an own lineage, why not thinking of an "own lineage"?
Even an own name. It will Take several Years, a long breath, Tons of RO Water and a breeding strategy.
As far as I know due some asian friends, they do not really care about names - guess its more an european thing.
They just breed.
What are your thoughts?
Best,
Mario
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monjak2444
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Re: Navngivning af stammer (Naming of strains)
hello mario and welcome again to our little shrimpforum again 
no problem we will figure it out,whit the language barrier
what i mean in the other thread when you buy a prl line why not improve it an refine it,instead of people buying two line and put them in the same tank and sell the offspring in there own name and that i think is wrong .an its not breeding shrimp its just keeping them as you said.
but on the other hand if you put your time in the shrimp and breed them well and keep the quality up for a couple of years then i think they reserve the right to name giving there own lineage.
how bad does the quality worsen from f1 to f4 lets say,if you dont do your shrimp selection and remove the bad shrimp.
an i would like to see more people breeding there own line but they get scared when the see how time consuming it is sadly.
hehe maybe its just us europeans there love our names for the shrimps,and we should do the same
i want to say thanks for your input mario an i hope you have a lot of shrimp adventures in the future.
best regards Deniz
no problem we will figure it out,whit the language barrier
what i mean in the other thread when you buy a prl line why not improve it an refine it,instead of people buying two line and put them in the same tank and sell the offspring in there own name and that i think is wrong .an its not breeding shrimp its just keeping them as you said.
but on the other hand if you put your time in the shrimp and breed them well and keep the quality up for a couple of years then i think they reserve the right to name giving there own lineage.
how bad does the quality worsen from f1 to f4 lets say,if you dont do your shrimp selection and remove the bad shrimp.
an i would like to see more people breeding there own line but they get scared when the see how time consuming it is sadly.
hehe maybe its just us europeans there love our names for the shrimps,and we should do the same
i want to say thanks for your input mario an i hope you have a lot of shrimp adventures in the future.
best regards Deniz
mvh
Deniz
Deniz
Re: Navngivning af stammer (Naming of strains)
Thanks for your input Mario.
I guess there are many aspects when dealing with the subject.
To me, improving a strain should always be the goal for any breeder. Unfortunately there are many breeders out there, to whom earning a few bucks will be more important. That is the basic reason why I think we should all sell our shrimp in our own name. If you have proven yourself by breeding some very nice shrimps, your shrimp will be more worth. If you are just a random breeder (like my self) buying a strain, breeding it and selling the offspring, there is no guarantee that the shrimp you sell are of high quality. If the shrimp hasn't been selectively breed for only a few generations, their quality will drop dramatically. Especially when dealing with the high end shrimp.
Let me put it in another way. Take it that I breed a strain that win prices at a contest and sell some of the shrimp. The buyer breeds the shrimp, without caring much about culling, and sells the offspring in just my name, it would make me quite sad. Another breeder buys some of these shrimps. Breeds them, again without culling, and sells them in my name, I would start to get annoyed. I have no way of guaranteeing that these shrimp are of any standard that I would breed, and they are sold as being mine.
Maybe we could learn something from the Japanese here. Not caring about a strain name, but just selling our shrimp for being what they actually are.
I guess there are many aspects when dealing with the subject.
To me, improving a strain should always be the goal for any breeder. Unfortunately there are many breeders out there, to whom earning a few bucks will be more important. That is the basic reason why I think we should all sell our shrimp in our own name. If you have proven yourself by breeding some very nice shrimps, your shrimp will be more worth. If you are just a random breeder (like my self) buying a strain, breeding it and selling the offspring, there is no guarantee that the shrimp you sell are of high quality. If the shrimp hasn't been selectively breed for only a few generations, their quality will drop dramatically. Especially when dealing with the high end shrimp.
Let me put it in another way. Take it that I breed a strain that win prices at a contest and sell some of the shrimp. The buyer breeds the shrimp, without caring much about culling, and sells the offspring in just my name, it would make me quite sad. Another breeder buys some of these shrimps. Breeds them, again without culling, and sells them in my name, I would start to get annoyed. I have no way of guaranteeing that these shrimp are of any standard that I would breed, and they are sold as being mine.
Maybe we could learn something from the Japanese here. Not caring about a strain name, but just selling our shrimp for being what they actually are.
Mvh
Carsten
Carsten